2018 Honda CR-V engine problems: fuel in oil with overfilled oil level, gas smell in cabin

Fuel In Oil With Overfilled Oil Level, Gas Smell In Cabin

2018 Honda CR-V (Page 1 of 3)

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CarComplaints.com Notes: It's rare when a newer vehicle has defect trends. Judging from the identical 2017 model year, the 2018 Honda CR-V is likely to have at least two — overfilled oil levels with a gas smell, & heat not working.

Both problems affecting the Honda CR-V's 1.5L "Earth Dreams" engine appear to be related to cold-climate regions.

CR-V owners report overfilled oil levels due to fuel in the oil, & sometimes a gas smell in the cabin. That problem appears to be related to fuel injection which Honda hopes to fix via a software update. Honda so far has only conducted a recall in China & a "product update" in Canada.

CR-V owners also report no heat even after warming up their CR-Vs for 30 minutes — not even enough to defrost the windshield. So far, there has been no fix from Honda for this issue.


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2018 Honda CR-V Owner Comments (Page 1 of 3)

problem #55

Feb 112019

CR-V ES 1.5L

  • CVT transmission
  • 3,543 miles


Ok, here we go. We didn't have any problem with oil/gas overfill until we brought it in under the recall for software fix. Now we have the oil/gas problem. Dealer said Honda will not "fix" it again. So we are either stuck with a car, that if not dealt with correctly ie: change oil every month or so, the possibility of an engine fire is very high. Also, the destruction and deterioration of the engine is a given.

We called the dealer, they told us to have the car towed in and that the tow warranty would cover it. The service manager said no, they won't pay for the tow, but don't drive it in because if there is engine damage caused by the problem, warranty won't cover it. (really? now what?) we are going to call AAA and have them tow it.

I have written to Honda corporate complaining, there is only 3,500 mile on the thing. I have also joined a class action suit against Honda for their lack of a fix for this dangerous problem.

I really like this car, I hate to have to spend more money to go buy another brand. HONDA PLEASE FIX THIS ISSUE!

- Barbara D., Exeter, RI, US

problem #54

May 212019

CR-V EX-L 1.5L Turbo

  • Automatic transmission
  • 4,800 miles

I'd heard about the fuel dilution issue a while back, but since I live in Texas and it's supposedly a cold weather issue, I wasn't concerned. About a month ago I noticed a strange smell in the cabin (it was around 70 degrees outside). The next day I checked the oil level and noted it's above the full mark and smells like fuel.

- Wade R., Wichita Falls, US

problem #53

May 182019

CR-V EX 1.5L

  • CVT transmission
  • 16,000 miles

Have excess oil dilution in 1.5L engine. After 7,500 miles, oil level increased by 1.2 quarts to 4.5 quarts for a 3.3 qt. capacity engine. Afraid oil dilution is changing the oil viscosity and will cause undue wear. Had the Honda product update, doesn't help.

- Steven E., Wayne, US

problem #52

Jun 062019


  • CVT transmission
  • 13,500 miles


Changed the oil myself for the first time. Noticed oil level was high and smelled of gasoline before changing it. Went online to see if other people experieced the same issue. I had no idea how widespread this problem is. I don't live in a cold weather environment. Costal North Carolina here. Cold weather is not the problem, the engine is. I had noticed the strong smell of gasoline in the cabin twice before, didn't pay too much attention at the time. I wonder how many are unaware as I was of the issues with this engine. I guess I will start changing the oil at much more frequent intervals, cheaper than taking the hit of trading this lemon in.

- John E., Manteo, NC, US

problem #51

Jun 152018

CR-V EXL 1.5L 4 cyl

  • CVT transmission
  • 1,000 miles

I was a Honda service manager and in the auto repair business for 38 years before retiring and have purchased nothing but Honda vehicles since 1985, so I know how to check oil and what fuel smells like! My Wife and I as well as one of my sons bought 2018 CR V's and experienced the high oil level and fuel smell dilution problem from the first week and have more or less been told by American Honda to live with it. My wife drove the vehicle 100 miles per day round trip to work and back so I just did not feel comfortable with her driving this vehicle with a fuel smell in the cabin as well as fuel diluted oil damaging our investment so 50 weeks after purchasing it we took a $3500.00 loss and traded for a new Ford Edge which is a wonderful vehicle so far.

By the way we live in Georgia not one of the "cold weather states" that Honda says is the only way the problem occurs and as I stated my wife was driving the vehicle 50 miles one way to work so the short distance thing is bogus as well. Due to my association with Honda for so long almost all of our family members also have them but it appears my loyalty with them may be over! By the way the warranty extension that American Honda offered me was for the camshafts and rocker arms as well as the spark plugs for 6 years or 150000 miles whichever occurs first and a free oil change without oil filter! When I asked about all the other internally lubricated parts in the engine the customer service representative at Honda headquarters just acted dumb! The Honda Earth Dreams engine is an Earth NIGHTMARE!!! GO BIG BLUE OVAL!!!! 

- Kent H., Ellijay, GA, US

problem #50

Jan 052019

CR-V NAV 1.5L Turbo

  • CVT transmission
  • 5,000 miles

I had the software fix, not sure yet if it helped. Alldata says a sensor issue caused the computer to think it was running too lean - compensating by actually running it too rich. = too much fuel.

For those saying it is a cold weather issue, the dealer I think more accurately described it as a cold engine issue. This is probably happening in any climate but if the engine fully warms up and is driven for a while, any gas getting into the oil is probably burning up. Less likely to fully warm up in cold climate.

I live in a cold climate and separately posted about this car having no heat on clod days.

- Gary E., Blaine, US

problem #49

Dec 262018

CR-V Touring 1.9L

  • CVT transmission
  • 3,500 miles


2018 Honda CR-V Oil Dilution problem. My wife only drives 2 miles to work and the engine never gets real hot and only puts about 4500 to 5500 miles a year on a car. The dealer does not want to change my oil until it gets to 15% oil life. The Dealer tells me that the gas smell is due to the breaking oil that Honda uses and to wait till I get to 15% or 1 year for the first oil change. Well I got my first oil change at 15% at 11 months 4800 miles with the break in oil and the dip stick was above full about a quarter with a gas odor. Now it's getting close to my 2nd oil change and after reading about this problem I don't know if I can trust my dealer for oil changes. I feel her car should be changed every 4 to 6 months because of the low miles and not go by the dealer 15% rating. I Think HONDA should pay for the oil changes until they get a fix for CRV and add owners in Mississippi to the list for the fix.

- Bob J., Gulfport, MS, US

problem #48

Mar 232018

CR-V ES 1.5L Turbo

  • CVT transmission
  • 7,500 miles

With only 7,500 miles on our nearly new CR-V my family and I were left stranded on the freeway in March of last year. The check engine light came on at 75 MPH and we lost all power...could only limp along the berm helplessly. After finding a safe place to park I checked the engine oil only to notice that I gained about a quart of gas-infused oil. Over a year later I've been to the dealership three separate times for the same issue, including one visit for a dubiously termed "software upgrade". Today I noticed a pronounced gasoline smell in the cabin at start-up, and once again found about a quart of extra oil....or should I say parts de-greasing fluid, churning around in the crankcase. I'm done. No more games with the dealership. The only acceptable solution is a new engine or a full refund. Made a Toyota fan from this once loyal Honda owner.

- Lauren S., Meadville, PA, US

problem #47

Dec 102018

CR-V EX-L 1.5L Turbo

  • CVT transmission
  • 15,000 miles

Less than a year after we bought the car I read a report about the Honda 1.5L turbo engines having oil dilution problems. When I checked the oil level it was much higher with gasoline smell just as others had been reporting. We took it in to the dealership and they changed the oil for free and did the required software update to fix the issue. After around a month when I checked the oil the level again was much higher and the issue had not been fixed. We live in San Diego and we do not do short commutes. We usually go on the freeway which should heat up the engine enough to avoid this problem. The Honda dealership said that high oil levels and oil dilution is normal for this engine and not to be concerned. The car drives fine but the long term reliability of the engine is a big concern since high oil dilution should not be normal. This should affect the durability of the engine since it doesn't get proper lubrication. It looks like they haven't found a real solution or they are not willing to fix it because of the expense. Some oil dilution is normal but not to this extent.

I really hope Honda corrects this issue soon and extends the warranty otherwise they will lose the trust of their current customers and future ones.

- gben, San Diego, US

problem #46

Mar 252019

CR-V 1.5L Turbo

  • CVT transmission
  • 7,500 miles

Hello people thanks for this site. I am smarter than the average bear so when I got the "recall" notice--engine light -a/c compressor re-program couldn't see a correlation. Brought car in yesterday. Oil level too high. Re-program of a/c compressor done and free oil change performed. I asked service rep what's the deal? He flat out lied and stated it only affected " The Asian market vehicles- like Honda's sold in China". Soooo, why the problem here and the need to fix it and the contaminated crankcase oil ??

Service tech had a blank expression on his face like a witness caught lying under oath.

We, as other kind posters here: intended this to be our last car for the foreseeable future. We have only logged 7500 miles on this vehicle in 1 year. We are in NY. and it takes 15 minutes to get the air to blow warm. THIS IS A SHAM BALONEY FIX! Honda wants our vehicles to throw the compressor on , to increase engine speed to warm engine faster to fix the problem? Why not duct tape? To the poster who was 1 liter high on the oil level because of gasoline contamination: 1 liter on a 4 liter capacity is REAL serious add to that the oil weight of 0-20 you are washing the engine not lubricating. We have short and long term problems ahead.

I am checking the oil level weekly. will update. I found this site because the front seat started fraying badly at 2000 miles, another rant , another day.Thanks everyone. We have to make a collective stink as our vehicles are in jeopardy.

- David D., Croton On Hudson, NY, US

problem #45

Jan 212019

CR-V EX 190 Hp

  • Automatic transmission
  • 2,600 miles


My 2018 Honda CRV started to smoke, had no get up and go and it started to smell like rotten eggs. Call Honda to come and tow it in. Told them I would not drive it this way. We got a letter the week before about a recall and the engine light went on a couple of day before I called and they told me that was because it was a year since we bought it. Now they start telling me it is because of the catalytic converter has gone bad. I said they are made to go for the life of the car. I am told they are also going to fix that and do some software update.

I got the car back on Friday and started to look over the things they fixed. There was a note in there that said that the oil was 2 inches over the full mark on the dip stick. Then I started asking a lot of questions because we bought a 2017 Honda Civic from the a little over a year ago and the same thing happened. We told them that we wanted a different car that didn't have that problem and that is when we got the CRV. I found out they both had the same engine at the time that the Civic had the problem. They told me they never had that problem before,it was a fluke that that happened and that that would not happened with the CRV.

So now I have to worry if I got a real lemon from Honda and how much damage is done to my engine driving with all that oil and gas mixed in the crank case.

- Mike B., Saint Paul, MN, US

problem #44

Mar 102019

CR-V EX 1.5L I4

  • CVT transmission
  • 15,600 miles

Terrible gas smell in the cabin. Smells like an open gas container in the vehicle. Googled to see if anyone else has experienced this issue and read about gas mixing with the oil. Once we got home I checked the oil. Very strong gas smell coming from oil dipstick. Plan to contact Honda and the dealership tomorrow to see what can be done.

- Matt T., Yacolt, US

problem #43

Jan 042019

CR-V Touring 1.5L

  • CVT transmission
  • 12,645 miles

Concerned about long term engine wear due to gas leaking into the oil and possibility of a fire from the un-burned gas.

- Tim N., Murphy, US

problem #42

Jan 252019

CR-V Touring 1.5L Turbo Charged

  • Automatic transmission
  • 189 miles

I am working with the dealership who did a software update on 2/07/19 and am waiting to check the oil again, to see if there is oil in it which there definitely was on 2/4, 2/5 when I checked it. Had less than 200 miles on my car before this and now about 230. Called Honda America pre-maturely but will continue to deal with. As a last resort, I will picket the dealership and would like to use the HondaProblems.com article about this to hand out. Would like your approval to so but find it near impossible how to contact you. Any help doing so appreciated.

- Curtis V., Napa, US

problem #41

Oct 152018


  • Automatic transmission
  • 2,600 miles

I discovered this issue after about 2000 miles. My dealership changed the oil and said Honda had a solution and it was coming soon. I had another oil change at approx. 4000 miles and then the fix/update performed at 6000. At 9000 miles I had a terrible smell of gasoline in the cabin of my car. I checked the oil and it was diluted and overfilled. My dealership confirmed this but then I was told they could no longer change my oil for free, due to the fact I had already received the update.

I was advised to contact Honda corp. I did just that and on my return call she referred to my complaint as "because you did not get a free oil change." I lost my temper a bit after getting nowhere with case manager and being told to "monitor your oil levels often. if you feel it is overfilled you can take it to your dealership for an oil change but it will be your expense." Good grief!

I then spoke to my dealership---they have been awesome and are doing all they can to resolve this--I need to be clear on that. the dealership with advise from district service manager then replaced my PCV valve, fuel injectors and all cabin filters. I was cautiously optimistic. After another condescending and terrible conversation with a new case manager at Honda corp, I contacted my dealership again. This time, the Honda case manager told me there is not need to repair, our engineers feel this is normal. I asked why they fixed it the first time if it's normal. I was then told that was NOT a repair but an update to enhance the performance of my car." Unbelievable!!

After driving 890 miles after the work done at the dealership, my cabin again had a strong fuel smell as well as my garage after parking. I am waiting to hear back from my service manager. He said he will be in contact with the district rep or will start talking with GM and sales team to get me into a 2019.

I am so upset and in disbelief that American Honda is taking this stand when it is obvious there is a problem. I have contacted my state attorney general and have been advise to pursue the lemon law. I have to try arbitration first but am holding off as I don't want to interfere with anything my dealership is trying to do. if I do pursue lemon law etc, I will be asking for a refund on my car, not replacement as I am not sure I can trust Honda any longer.

- Amy C., Johnston, US

problem #40

Dec 122018

CR-V LX 1.5L

  • CVT transmission
  • 3,728 miles

I've leased a 2018 Honda CRV LX...within the first 6 months I noticed a fuel smell in the cabin. Brought it into the dealership and they discovered the engine was holding approximately 1 litre more fluid in the engine than normal. Told it was as a result of the fuel and oil mixing problem...The dealer played a little 'dumb' until I brought up several of the facts that I discovered online about this huge problem. Changed my oil and gave the standard line...It's 'OK' it's designed to do that...blah blah...I later received the notice to conduct the update on the vehicle...They were very vague about what this was 'update' actually was...

The AC module control was changed...the advisor couldn't explain what this was doing. This was completed and now I have little to no heat in sub-zero temps unless I'm highway driving at least 100 k/h. Temp gauge goes up and drops when slowing down and blows cold air.

Brought it to the dealership again and they told me the vehicle is operating as other 2017-2018 CRV's. When I asked what that meant, the service adviser told me they are all having this problem...So in a devious way they're not lying when he said it's operating like all other CRV's. I was told to drive in sport mode...I don't have sport mode, there is a 'second' gear, I've never heard this type of advice just to get heat, they said don't have the fan on full...good luck when it's minus 30 degrees C. The CRV doesn't warm up at all with the remote starter...totally useless option that I paid for. How has this affected the advertised mileage? If these changes have varied the mileage at all Honda needs to rectify this issue as they have not sold the consumer a product as advertised. Everyone needs to complain formally so this issue is addressed...This may be the worse vehicle built in the last 20 years!

- russellmb, Winnipeg, MB, Canada

problem #39

Mar 232018

CR-V EX-L 1.5L

  • CVT transmission
  • 3,224 miles

I brought car into the dealer 3/23/18 with 2534 miles on it. The dipstick showed 3/4 of an inch over full and smelled strongly of gas. I asked the dealer to catch the oil and tell me how much over full it was. I sat down in the lounge to wait for my car....tech comes in and asks me if I had a can to catch the oil in. I told him no....he says he has nothing to put the used oil in....says he's going to go ahead and change it, which he does. They charged me nothing......never made a repair order on it, and said I could go. I asked them what was causing the problem. They replied they had never had anything like that before...knew nothing about the problem which was a bare faced lie! There are 3 other members of my family with this same car, same problem. At this point in time they would not admit an ongoing problem to any of the 4 of us.

Update from Mar 6, 2019: brought the car in again 7/30/2018 at 7156 miles. Again it was over full and smelling like gas. I asked that the over full condition be acknowledged on my repair order. It was not. Again, I was charged nothing for the oil and filter change and was told that they have no idea why my engine was full of gas.

Update from Mar 6, 2019: returned to the dealership 11/28/2018 at 9822 miles. Again the oil level registered 3/4'' over the full mark. This time the tech did catch the used oil and found there to be 4.6 quarts of oil and gas in the sump without draining the filter. This sump is supposed to hold 3.0 quarts of oil without a filter change.

Update from Mar 6, 2019: returned to the dealership 1/08/2019 with the same condition,: engine sump overfilled with oil and gas. This time the dip stick showed 5/8'' over full. The oil was changed.....not the filter. A software update was performed and the A/C control was replaced as per Honda Bulletin. As of today 3/06/2019 I have 1500 miles on this repair and the oil level is climbing up again.....about 3/8'' over full on the dipstick. I will be returning to the dealer shortly

- neebishiskd, Jenison, US

problem #38

Oct 032018

CR-V EX-L 1.5L Turbo

  • CVT transmission
  • 10,000 miles

I became aware of the issue this summer. I check the fluids and tire pressure weekly on all our vehicles as a habit (you should too). After the first oil change, I noticed the level rise and took it in. The local (Honda City LI) large dealership claimed I was the first to mention the issue, an obvious company instructed lie. They would only bring the oil to the prescribed level, but my intention was to get the issue logged. It took ~ an hour. Last weekend, I noticed the level was high again. I took it back in Tuesday and was once again told "we're unaware off the issue" BS. This time they mentioned there was a service bulletin. When they were done, they told me they changed the oil (~ 1.5 hrs) but could do nothing else because there was no error code, maybe because I brought it in before there was a crankcase overfill issue in order to prevent future engine failure? They also told me the oil change was a 'one-time' accommodation. So, will I have to risk damaging oil dilution in order to get a fix? That makes no sense!

To be fair, the dealership has been fine in dealing with this issue, I get the sense they are hamstrung by Honda. Though we spent a lot of time testing every car in this category and came away thinking the CRV was clearly the best choice, I am now very disappointed in my decision and based on Honda's handling of the issue would strongly advise everyone avoid this vehicle. Delaying the fix will in the end severely shorten engine life and damage the resale value of the vehicle. Even if they eventually fix the issue, so many driving with diluted oil will affect us all. THIS SHOULD ALREADY BE A RECALL FOR ALL '17 AND '18 CRV'S!!!!!! FWIW, we don't do a lot of short trips, extensive idling and the issue started before it became cold.

- Andrew K., Merrick, NY, US

problem #37

Jan 022019

CR-V Touring 1.5L

  • Automatic transmission
  • 7,285 miles

Really disapointed with HONDA. They sold me a beautiful vehicle with a known defect. I only have 300 miles on current oil change and the level is already going up. Not the dealers fault, as they are trying to work with me. Think their excuse of fuel condensing in cylinder wall is bull. We never drive less than 20 miles, so our engine gets warmed up completely. If there is that much fuel getting injected, would expect black smoke and converter fouling soon.

Update from Mar 23, 2019: For the record, The "FIX" was installed 1/2/19 at 7285 miles. We are now just over 10K miles and the problem is getting worse!! Oil level still going up, and on top of that, local dealer has lost all credibility. Took the vehicle in to dealer on 3/15/19 for an oil change with only 1800 miles since last change. Level on dipstick was above orange plastic tip. After debate with service advisor on how to check level, she decided to change oil at my expense and measure what came out. I agreed. About an hour later service manager came to waiting room with a used 1 gallon oil container with about 3.8 quarts in it. Said that was the oil that came out of my engine. Couldn't explain why I had seen high level on dipstick, but would wave the fees for my inconvenience. Odd thing official service report done by mechanic said he removed 4.6 quarts. Blowing smoke up where?? All this information was sent to Customer Service at Honda to be attached to existing complaint case documents. Got a call from Honda Customer Service on 3/22/19. Was informed Honda engineers say " This amount of oil dilution is normal for that engine, and there are no plans to address the issue", and my case would now be closed. Wow", I was speechless. Save all your documents boys and girls, this is about to get ugly. Will start with the old fashion lemons and the BBB, and work my way up from there. Social Media is a terrible thing to waste.

- Richard S., Bourbonnais, US

problem #36

Oct 152018

CR-V EX-L 1.5L

  • CVT transmission
  • 9,697 miles

Body of letter I wrote to Honda on 2/15/19:

February 15, 2019

American Honda Motor Co., Inc. Customer Service 1919 Torrance Blvd. Mail Stop 100-5E-8A Torrance, CA 90501-2746

To Whom It May Concern:

I own a 2018 CR-V AWD EX-L with the 1.5L turbo engine. (ID# 7FARW2H87JE010589) I live in Columbus, Indiana. I purchased the vehicle on February 9, 2018 from Hubler Honda, Columbus, IN.

I normally check my own oil along with other fluid levels and items such as tire air pressure. I noticed the oil level being over full in the fall of 2018, at that time we had about 6,000 miles on the vehicle. At 7237 miles I had my first oil change at Hubler on October 15, 2018 (copy of receipt attached).

I became aware of the oil dilution issue after receiving a letter from Honda regarding service bulletin 18-114. I checked the oil level and found it to be way over-filled on December 1, 2018 (see AUTOsist note #1 and photo #1 attached). I visited Hubler and they advised that a permanent fix was on its way and I should wait for a formal recall, however I was very concerned about the long term affect on our car’s engine so I returned to Hubler and expressed my displeasure with the delay. They called me a day or two later indicating that they would perform the recall work which was completed on January 8, 2019 (see receipt #2 and photo#2 attached). I checked the oil level immediately after the oil change and found it was at the top of the orange plastic tip of the dipstick (I realize the full level is at the top hole in the orange tip). Hoping that the oil dilution issue was fixed, I checked the oil again today, February 15, 2019 after the vehicle sat in the garage all night. The oil level was found to be way above the full mark and beyond the top of the orange tip by more than ½” (see photo #3). The oil dilution issue has not been corrected in my vehicle.

I am writing this letter to express my concern and with the impact this matter will have on our vehicle long term. Extending the warranty is not an acceptable solution. I am concerned about the impact of a breakdown while traveling and the subsequent consequences. This is not withstanding the loss of trade-in value that will accompany this vehicle in the future.

My issue is not with Hubler Honda, they provided the repairs as suggested by Honda, Inc., after my initial request, but the repair did not work. What is Honda going to do for me now to fix this situation permanently? Please respond.

Thank you.

Update from Feb 26, 2019: I received an immediate phone call from Tina, Case Manager at Honda Customer Service, I thought great, Honda was going to respond positively to my concern. WRONG!!! I got a very terse canned statement "there is no concern and no recall. If the check engine light comes on take it to your dealer." When I questioned her, she repeated the same exact response.

If a class action suit is happening I want to be included.

What I'm seeing now is that the "fix" is a significant increase in rpm right after start up to 1500 rpm and then backing off a little after a few minutes. What that does just dumps more fuel into the cylinders and consequently more blow-by. I think the "fix" just makes the issue worse.

I'm going to change the oil, after only 750 miles since Honda changed it, to allow me to sleep at night. I can't in good conscience just let the engine destroy itself.

Update from Feb 27, 2019: Everyone who is having this issue should fill out the form with the federal government NHTSA - its easy to do. The more complaints that the feds see may cause them to look into this matter. Thanks

Update from May 30, 2019: Still checking the oil often since the "fix" oil level above the orange plastic dip stick end. The warmer weather here in central Indiana probably helps as much as anything since the engine warms up quicker and thus not dumping so much fuel into the cylinders when cold. Our mileage had dropped off though, only averaging 27 mpg. I'm sure the problem will come back when the weather cools off again.

Update from Aug 27, 2019: August 27, 2019 Update

Had the oil/filter changed on July 17, 2019 (mileage 11,717) prior to vacation trip back east into northern NY, in total the trip was about 2000 miles over 10 days. Oil level then (7/17) was about 1/8" over the orange plastic dipstick end (1900 miles on previous oil change). Our reading today is 14,118. The weather here has been hot, most days in the 80's and some into the 90's. The oil level now is 1/2" over the full mark so this problem is not a cold weather issue. The product update made no difference except poorer gas mileage. I still get gas in the oil, in hot weather, after long drives. Obviously Honda won't do anything for us, so I'm going to investigate a trade. Toyota or Ford.

- feclark65, Columbus, US

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